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Amendment to Patriot Act fails

From Watching Justice:

An amendment that would have prohibited government authorities from using the USA Patriot Act to get information on library users and book buyers failed on the House floor yesterday. The proposed amendment to the Commerce, Justice, and State Appropriations bill needed a majority to pass, but received only a tie vote of 210 to 210.
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The amendment, supported by conservative Republicans, Democrats, and Independent Bernard Sanders, initially received enough votes to pass. House leaders, however, held the floor vote open for 23 minutes beyond the usual 15 minutes for a roll call vote. During that time, 10 Republicans changed their votes to no, resulting in the tie.


While I'm pleased to see bipartisan support for amending the Patriot Act, I'm very sorry to see that it failed. And I can't help but noticing that it was ten Republicans that chickened out when their names were going to be attached to it by a roll call vote.

I've seen such procedural weaseling before, back in my college debate society, and at the time, it was the conservatives (yet again) manipulating parliamentary procedure to their advantage. Apparently, some things never change. :p

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tagplazen
Jul. 10th, 2004 09:31 am (UTC)
I read about this, apparently there was a lot of catcalling going on. Fucking bastards.

I love Bernie Sanders, he's a goddamn badass. He brought Burlington back around in the mid 80's, even the crusty ass ultra-rural 7 generations Vermonters dig him, "He's a socialist, and he's our goddamn socialist."
mumpish
Jul. 10th, 2004 08:03 pm (UTC)
In fairness, you aren't nearly so upset with Senate Democrats holding up Bush's judicial nominations for going on four years now. When you're making blanket assertions, remember to consider whether the same behavior benefits positions you happen to agree with.

Very cool new logo, by the way.
pointedview
Jul. 10th, 2004 08:12 pm (UTC)
I'm a little unclear -- are you addressing Tag or me? You replied to his comment, but seem to be responding to my post. And FWIW, you're quite right, the Dems are just as bad. We were talking about that in the car today. I think I read on Metafilter a few days ago that several Democrats (none from the South, at least) had written the UN requesting that they oversee our next presidential election! Yes, the hanging chads were bad, but let's try to put things to rights ourselves before calling them in. The UN politely declined, which is why I didn't bother blogging it (since nothing came of it), but I just couldn't believe that they'd actually go outside our own country to try to gain political power. I was appalled.

It's just so dirty on both sides of the aisle. :(

I have had the TWoP icon for a while -- I just rotate 'em every now and then. :)
mumpish
Jul. 11th, 2004 09:43 am (UTC)
I was replying to you. Thanks for admitting that both sides play the same way; I'm just unclear why it's relevant that you remember conservatives at Demosthenian (all three of us) doing anything in particular. You were at least strongly implying that it's a conservative trait, and that's so laughably untrue that it's beneath you to even try to get away with it ;) Speaking of weaseling :)

pointedview
Jul. 11th, 2004 01:25 pm (UTC)
You weren't there those nights. I was remembering a very specific and ugly event, the infamous sodomy debate, involving David Herndon, Scott Kelly, and almost the whole cluster of wanna-be politicians of their ilk, and me telling them to either come back upstairs or leave the hall.

Now, two that I did have some respect for were Luke Boggs and Adam Thornton, and for whatever folks may say about him, Adam earned my respect for playing by the rules that night. Luke earned it for crossing the aisle and being communicative about a later event stemming from the debate involving a threatening phone call made to a gay member of the society (not Terrance): he came to me, knowing I was more moderate and would listen to what he had to say. Anyway, they came back upstairs when the house was called, and I applaud them for it. It was the right thing to do.

It was a very nasty debate over whether the society should send a letter regarding the sodomy bill that was going on in the Georgia legislature at the time. There were a few that I respected, but Herndon and Co. were greasy.

I think it's just that in terms of the society, I don't recall, during my time, the more liberal members manipulate procedure like that to get their way. Maybe I was just lucky, but I don't have any memories to connect with that sort of thing on that side. It's hard being in the middle, and I have been pretty much since high school.

It was a particularly unpleasant time, quite a few members resigned over it, and it all could have been avoided without all the melodrama if that particular little greasy bunch hadn't conducted themselves as they did.
pointedview
Jul. 12th, 2004 04:32 pm (UTC)
One more thing -- it's something I had to learn, actually, when I met David, and now it seems I've picked it up from him.

Just because I happen to mention that some members of the Republican party are bad does not mean that I think that all Democrats are good and shiny, 'cause they ain't. It just means that on that given instance, that party is pissing me off.

Analogy: I hate eggs. Hate 'em. Can't stand them. If I write that I hate eggs, it does not suddenly mean that I like tomatoes. I also hate tomatoes. All it means is that I probably encountered hard boiled egg that day. Or, in the grand scheme of things, that eggs piss me off just a little more than tomatoes because I've had worse experiences with them, but that doesn't mean that I think tomatoes are A-OK.

The analogy breaks down a little over the fact that I actually like grape tomatoes, but no need to go there for the purposes of comparison. :D


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