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Before y'all come and tell me

Yes, I know that Joss holds Agent Dale Cooper in high regard. (And at the bottom of the supposedly no-particular-order list, House, which should give mumpish a happy.)

I just knew they were fibbing about "Restless" not being influenced by TP, whether they realized it consciously or not.

Actually, I think it's time for a poll. I'm only including four choices so that things don't get too diluted, but if you want to explain why you like one over the other in comments, I'd enjoy hearing what you have to say. Don't let my icon influence you: I promise not to send BOB after you, even if we happen to disagree. :)

Poll #801361 Best of the best

My favorite show of the following options is ...

Babylon 5
0(0.0%)
Battlestar Galactica (new)
2(20.0%)
Firefly
6(60.0%)
Twin Peaks
2(20.0%)


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goodjoan
Aug. 22nd, 2006 12:43 pm (UTC)
Had tivo been around when Twin Peaks started, I might have watched it. aAs it stands, the few times I saw an episode, I was so lost and confused that I couldn't really jump in. And I jumped into LEXX halfway through the series so for me to not be able to catch up, that's saying something! Someday, when I have free time I may restle up the dvds and try again, from the beginning, simply because you like it so much!

Firefly was great, I would have loved to see it have a longer lifespan, but alas, it's over and they made the ending such that it can't really come back in a good way. Farscape is the same way. I wish there was more but they can't resurrect it as a baby makes 3 show, nor without D'argo.

Babylon 5 was too much for me, and too dark. Maybe it was the timing, but when I wanted to sit down to something scifi and escapist, I didn't want to be faced with politics, uniwnnable wars and all the horrible darkness in the universe. I liked it early on, before the war.

That leaves BSG. Of the list, this one is my favorite. Mostly because it's still ON! It's suspenseful enough to be interesting, without being hopeless. (which is probably why I am starting to get tired of LOST, eventually you just have to complete a storyline!) Has enough action to be exciting but not so much that it is just a shoot-em-up. Lots of interpersonal relationships that they've taken the time to nurture. Blah blah blah, did I mention it's still on? Always a plus!

I was also a big fan of West Wing and I'm hoping that they revive the series the next 'administration' but I doubt it'll have the same chemistry that the original cast had. I liked Farscape, I liked Lexx for the sheer insanity of it. I like House too but I have such a hard time finding Hugh Laurie sexy. I love the dialogue though!

pointedview
Aug. 22nd, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
If you ever do attempt Twin Peaks, you definitely want to watch the episodes in order. It would indeed be confusing.

You mention that you found Babylon 5 too dark. If you found that one dark (and hey, it was - no denying that), although it pains me to say it, you might want to steer clear of Twin Peaks. I value the show highly because it is so deliberately artistic. It's not just excellent television: there's symbolism by the bushel in it, and I always find something new each time I watch it.

That being said, it has the most disturbing ending that I've ever seen on any television series in my entire life. Although it has a lot of quirky humor peppered throughout, the core story is heartbreaking. There's outright horror, violence, and plenty of eerie atmosphere at times. There is also profound good and courage. It's flawed in Season 2, but even with the flaws, I've never seen anything else truly like it on television.

I partially agree with you about Firefly. The realist in me agrees with you. However, for the fangirl in me who has seen Joss successfully resurrect characters and rewrite histories while maintaining internal consistency with the plot, well, hope springs eternal. ;) They really have done the impossible, so I'd never rule out the possibility of more. I don't expect more, mind you, but given Firefly's already unusual track record, anything could happen!

I love BSG's grit, I love Edward James Olmos as Adama, I love Mary McDonnell as Roslin, I like the complexity of the Cylons ... it's good stuff.

I haven't watched House yet, despite mumpish's nagging erm, encouragement. I'll likely Netflix it at some point.

Thanks for the comment: it's good to hear your perspective on it!

goodjoan
Aug. 23rd, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
Dark can be ok, so long as it's also funny at times, or periodically NOT dark. Or dark can be fine if it's short lived. I loved the movie "The Butterfly Effect" (the directors cut, apparently the theater cut was clipped too much to get the full effect of the storyline) it was intense and sad and heartwrenching, and it lingered with me long after it was over, but it was only a couple of hours long! Otherwise, dark just gets tedious to me. The real world is dark if you watch the news, I watch tv shows to AVOID reality! If I want endless dark and drama, I'll just watch CNN!

I do like the reality of BSG, as you mentioned in another reply. Star trek was great but it glossed over so much reality by saying that poverty was "cured." We can hang out in space because everyone is happy and healthy and gainfully employed. No war, no crime...yeah right. BSG just feel more like what might really happen, supply shortages, fights, personal dynamics re romance and sex, the tug of war between military and politics, the politics of a shakey government, etc.

I'm also currently hooked on the 4400.
pointedview
Aug. 23rd, 2006 04:54 am (UTC)
Well, I'd at least wait until S2 finally comes out on DVD sometime in November (and there was much rejoicing).

It's definitely also funny at times -- it's not unmitigated, relentless darkness. That would wear me down, too!

Agreed about Star Trek. D. is currently watching the 4400. I am resisting the temptation to tune in because I don't think I have the hours in a year to add another thing to my viewing plate. :) Perhaps someday.
jasondemotte
Aug. 22nd, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC)
Firefly. Perhaps if it was starting it's fourth season, I might have grown a bit more tired of it. Perhaps I might have been a bit more disillusioned if Spike joined the crew in the third season, or Simon was turned into a Reaver or Inara revealed that she's Mal's sister. But instead we got a short, but near perfect show. No jumping the shark, just a great show with a great movie as it's conclusion. It didn't have time to be bad.

BSG is second on my list here. A great show that doesn't pull punches. I love how they seem like they can just barely scrape by. These aren't big damn heroes, these are guys who get by luck and an urge to survive.

I've only seen the pilot movie of B5 and maybe a handful of random episodes, if that. I want to watch it someday, but I've got some other things that I want to get through before I add it to my Netflix queue.

Twin Peaks I know only by reputation. I'm sure it's good, but it's not much of a priority for me to check it out.
pointedview
Aug. 23rd, 2006 12:16 am (UTC)
One of the things I like most about Battlestar Galactica is how daring the writing is. They are definitely not afraid to take major plot risks, and I applaud that.

When you get to Babylon 5, do let me know. Like Firefly, it's full of rich, well-realized characters. Also like that one, no one there is exactly what he appears to be. Like BSG, it doesn't pull punches. Like goodjoan mentioned, it gets pretty dark, and nobody comes out unscathed. Everyone goes through a transformation. The show also had extremely strong female characters well before Buffy first staked our screens.

Twin Peaks is the darkest of the listed options. Kind of like my list of foods that everyone should eat ... well, okay, I can't say that everyone should see Twin Peaks because of some of the themes in it, however, I think I know you well enough to say that you can handle it. I recommend it simply because it's so different. Given your appreciation for V for Vendetta and some of the comics you've mentioned in the past, I believe you would appreciate some of the complex visuals and intricacies. Even if you didn't like it, it's very good comparative knowledge for you to have in your literary and cinematic arsenal. :)
twr
Aug. 23rd, 2006 01:05 am (UTC)
So who is the other person who chose Twin Peaks?
I loved that show. I really, really need to re-watch it. It's been a long, long time since I've seen it and I think I"d really enjoy rewatching it.

Babylon 5 just wasn't my thing (and I think we've had this conversation before), but I quite like BSG and Firefly. Though the obsessivness of some of the Browncoats is *almost* enough to turn me off, it doesn't reduce the quality of the show any. Just makes me want to duck my head down low and not identify myself as a Firefly fan all the time.

In fact, my attitude towards unknown Firefly fans is much like my attitude towards unknown D&D players: They're probably not people I want to associate with.
pointedview
Aug. 23rd, 2006 05:06 am (UTC)
Re: So who is the other person who chose Twin Peaks?
Well, you are surely my favorite person today, 'cause we're the only two Peaks Freaks here! Have I mentioned lately what excellent taste you have in television? :)

*tries to remember previous B5 conversation and fails* I don't remember what we said, but I trust that you are capable of determining what your thing is and what it ain't. In the funky words of the Isley Brothers, "It's your thing/do whatcha wanna do." :)
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